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I agree totally. However, is it OE or some other program causing the
problem? I'll bet it is not OE. Also, if YOU were the architect of OE how would you protect the .dbx files from being damaged from ANY source? That's my point. "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:e2EgzojCJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > My last response. > > It is a problem with how OE was developed. It has existed with all > versions of Windows and not related to XP. At least with XP/SP2, a copy of > dbx files is backed up when you compact. OE MVPs fought for that for > almost a decade. That said, any third party program is responsible to make > their product compatible with whatever MS develops. If Norton says their > AV works with XP and IE/OE, then it should work. > > I don't know if the chicken came before the egg, but Windows programs come > before third party programs that /claim/ they are compatible. > > Again. I am /not/ an advocate for MS. Spend some time in the two major OE > newsgroups. In the time I have been here, lost messages and or entire > folders is the most reported problem. Needless to say, if people backed up > OE, like they should any e-mail client, they could easily fix any screw > up. > > This is a post from today in the OE General newsgroup. > > <QP> > I opened OE this morning and all my created folders under local folders > are > gone. The only ones remaining are the defaulted folders of OE. Where did > they > go, and can I restore them? I had lots of emails saved in them that I > would > like back. Thanks.. > </QP> > > It is a rare day that we don't see at least one post like this. Before > people started going to Vista and WinMail, or Windows Live Mail, it was > common to see much more than one such post every day. > -- > > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP Outlook Express > Imperial Beach, CA > > > > > > > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:4O_tk.23261$N87.22253@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >> Any disruption can wipe out folders BUT, is that an OE program problem or >> the compacting program? >> Is all the problems caused by NORTON an XP problem????? >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >> news:uKN9cdgCJHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, e-mail >>> scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail clients. (Not that >>> you need e-mail scanning at all). >>> >>> As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the process >>> can wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend working offline >>> when compacting. >>> >>> I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I >>> said. I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the >>> foreseeable future. >>> -- >>> >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >>> >>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>> news:giXtk.18206$LG4.2178@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by >>>> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs. >>>> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. Pick on >>>> the BIG GUY syndrome. >>>>> It is a known issue for over a decade now. >>>>> >>>>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC >>>>> >>>>> And: >>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is >>>>>> frail? >>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important >>>>>>> thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a >>>>>>> dozen other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I like >>>>>>> OE. But it needs a lot of TLC thay many people don't do because it >>>>>>> isn't in Help. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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It is usually the user, (i.e. disrupting a compact process), or a third
party program that causes the problem. But if it were not for the way the dbx file system stores message data, there wouldn't be any loss of messages and this would be a moot topic. Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a rarity. Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while Vista was still in beta. The recommendation from Microsoft, (not me), is for XP and Vista users to use Windows Live Mail instead. That is virtually their *fix* for OE and WinMail issues. -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Outlook Express Imperial Beach, CA "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:rVeuk.19567$jI5.16969@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >I agree totally. However, is it OE or some other program causing the >problem? I'll bet it is not OE. > Also, if YOU were the architect of OE how would you protect the .dbx files > from > being damaged from ANY source? That's my point. > > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message > news:e2EgzojCJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> My last response. >> >> It is a problem with how OE was developed. It has existed with all >> versions of Windows and not related to XP. At least with XP/SP2, a copy >> of dbx files is backed up when you compact. OE MVPs fought for that for >> almost a decade. That said, any third party program is responsible to >> make their product compatible with whatever MS develops. If Norton says >> their AV works with XP and IE/OE, then it should work. >> >> I don't know if the chicken came before the egg, but Windows programs >> come before third party programs that /claim/ they are compatible. >> >> Again. I am /not/ an advocate for MS. Spend some time in the two major OE >> newsgroups. In the time I have been here, lost messages and or entire >> folders is the most reported problem. Needless to say, if people backed >> up OE, like they should any e-mail client, they could easily fix any >> screw up. >> >> This is a post from today in the OE General newsgroup. >> >> <QP> >> I opened OE this morning and all my created folders under local folders >> are >> gone. The only ones remaining are the defaulted folders of OE. Where did >> they >> go, and can I restore them? I had lots of emails saved in them that I >> would >> like back. Thanks.. >> </QP> >> >> It is a rare day that we don't see at least one post like this. Before >> people started going to Vista and WinMail, or Windows Live Mail, it was >> common to see much more than one such post every day. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:4O_tk.23261$N87.22253@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >>> Any disruption can wipe out folders BUT, is that an OE program problem >>> or the compacting program? >>> Is all the problems caused by NORTON an XP problem????? >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:uKN9cdgCJHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, e-mail >>>> scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail clients. (Not that >>>> you need e-mail scanning at all). >>>> >>>> As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the process >>>> can wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend working offline >>>> when compacting. >>>> >>>> I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I >>>> said. I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the >>>> foreseeable future. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:giXtk.18206$LG4.2178@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by >>>>> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs. >>>>> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. Pick on >>>>> the BIG GUY syndrome. >>>>>> It is a known issue for over a decade now. >>>>>> >>>>>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC >>>>>> >>>>>> And: >>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is >>>>>>> frail? >>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important >>>>>>>> thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a >>>>>>>> dozen other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I like >>>>>>>> OE. But it needs a lot of TLC thay many people don't do because it >>>>>>>> isn't in Help. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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Hi Bruce,
So is there any "native default" (for want of a better term) e-mail program that ships with Vista? Alan "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:Os1fXUsCJHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > It is usually the user, (i.e. disrupting a compact process), or a third > party program that causes the problem. But if it were not for the way the > dbx file system stores message data, there wouldn't be any loss of > messages and this would be a moot topic. > > Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every message > is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a rarity. > > Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for > other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while Vista > was still in beta. > > The recommendation from Microsoft, (not me), is for XP and Vista users to > use Windows Live Mail instead. That is virtually their *fix* for OE and > WinMail issues. > -- > > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP Outlook Express > Imperial Beach, CA > > > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:rVeuk.19567$jI5.16969@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>I agree totally. However, is it OE or some other program causing the >>problem? I'll bet it is not OE. >> Also, if YOU were the architect of OE how would you protect the .dbx >> files from >> being damaged from ANY source? That's my point. >> >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >> news:e2EgzojCJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> My last response. >>> >>> It is a problem with how OE was developed. It has existed with all >>> versions of Windows and not related to XP. At least with XP/SP2, a copy >>> of dbx files is backed up when you compact. OE MVPs fought for that for >>> almost a decade. That said, any third party program is responsible to >>> make their product compatible with whatever MS develops. If Norton says >>> their AV works with XP and IE/OE, then it should work. >>> >>> I don't know if the chicken came before the egg, but Windows programs >>> come before third party programs that /claim/ they are compatible. >>> >>> Again. I am /not/ an advocate for MS. Spend some time in the two major >>> OE newsgroups. In the time I have been here, lost messages and or entire >>> folders is the most reported problem. Needless to say, if people backed >>> up OE, like they should any e-mail client, they could easily fix any >>> screw up. >>> >>> This is a post from today in the OE General newsgroup. >>> >>> <QP> >>> I opened OE this morning and all my created folders under local folders >>> are >>> gone. The only ones remaining are the defaulted folders of OE. Where did >>> they >>> go, and can I restore them? I had lots of emails saved in them that I >>> would >>> like back. Thanks.. >>> </QP> >>> >>> It is a rare day that we don't see at least one post like this. Before >>> people started going to Vista and WinMail, or Windows Live Mail, it was >>> common to see much more than one such post every day. >>> -- >>> >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>> news:4O_tk.23261$N87.22253@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>> Any disruption can wipe out folders BUT, is that an OE program problem >>>> or the compacting program? >>>> Is all the problems caused by NORTON an XP problem????? >>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:uKN9cdgCJHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, e-mail >>>>> scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail clients. (Not >>>>> that you need e-mail scanning at all). >>>>> >>>>> As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the >>>>> process can wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend working >>>>> offline when compacting. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I >>>>> said. I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the >>>>> foreseeable future. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>> news:giXtk.18206$LG4.2178@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by >>>>>> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs. >>>>>> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. Pick >>>>>> on the BIG GUY syndrome. >>>>>>> It is a known issue for over a decade now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And: >>>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is >>>>>>>> frail? >>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important >>>>>>>>> thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a >>>>>>>>> dozen other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I >>>>>>>>> like OE. But it needs a lot of TLC thay many people don't do >>>>>>>>> because it isn't in Help. >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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Windows Mail comes with Vista. Is that what you're asking?
-- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Outlook Express Imperial Beach, CA "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message news:OfVwr7sCJHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Hi Bruce, > > So is there any "native default" (for want of a better term) e-mail > program that ships with Vista? > > Alan > > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message > news:Os1fXUsCJHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> It is usually the user, (i.e. disrupting a compact process), or a third >> party program that causes the problem. But if it were not for the way the >> dbx file system stores message data, there wouldn't be any loss of >> messages and this would be a moot topic. >> >> Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every >> message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a >> rarity. >> >> Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for >> other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while Vista >> was still in beta. >> >> The recommendation from Microsoft, (not me), is for XP and Vista users to >> use Windows Live Mail instead. That is virtually their *fix* for OE and >> WinMail issues. >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:rVeuk.19567$jI5.16969@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>I agree totally. However, is it OE or some other program causing the >>>problem? I'll bet it is not OE. >>> Also, if YOU were the architect of OE how would you protect the .dbx >>> files from >>> being damaged from ANY source? That's my point. >>> >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:e2EgzojCJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> My last response. >>>> >>>> It is a problem with how OE was developed. It has existed with all >>>> versions of Windows and not related to XP. At least with XP/SP2, a copy >>>> of dbx files is backed up when you compact. OE MVPs fought for that for >>>> almost a decade. That said, any third party program is responsible to >>>> make their product compatible with whatever MS develops. If Norton says >>>> their AV works with XP and IE/OE, then it should work. >>>> >>>> I don't know if the chicken came before the egg, but Windows programs >>>> come before third party programs that /claim/ they are compatible. >>>> >>>> Again. I am /not/ an advocate for MS. Spend some time in the two major >>>> OE newsgroups. In the time I have been here, lost messages and or >>>> entire folders is the most reported problem. Needless to say, if people >>>> backed up OE, like they should any e-mail client, they could easily fix >>>> any screw up. >>>> >>>> This is a post from today in the OE General newsgroup. >>>> >>>> <QP> >>>> I opened OE this morning and all my created folders under local folders >>>> are >>>> gone. The only ones remaining are the defaulted folders of OE. Where >>>> did they >>>> go, and can I restore them? I had lots of emails saved in them that I >>>> would >>>> like back. Thanks.. >>>> </QP> >>>> >>>> It is a rare day that we don't see at least one post like this. Before >>>> people started going to Vista and WinMail, or Windows Live Mail, it was >>>> common to see much more than one such post every day. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:4O_tk.23261$N87.22253@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>> Any disruption can wipe out folders BUT, is that an OE program problem >>>>> or the compacting program? >>>>> Is all the problems caused by NORTON an XP problem????? >>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:uKN9cdgCJHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, e-mail >>>>>> scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail clients. (Not >>>>>> that you need e-mail scanning at all). >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the >>>>>> process can wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend working >>>>>> offline when compacting. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I >>>>>> said. I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the >>>>>> foreseeable future. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>> news:giXtk.18206$LG4.2178@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by >>>>>>> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs. >>>>>>> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. Pick >>>>>>> on the BIG GUY syndrome. >>>>>>>> It is a known issue for over a decade now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And: >>>>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is >>>>>>>>> frail? >>>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most >>>>>>>>>> important thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but >>>>>>>>>> screwed up a dozen other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get >>>>>>>>>> me wrong. I like OE. But it needs a lot of TLC thay many people >>>>>>>>>> don't do because it isn't in Help. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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I'm a bit confused, then, when you say that Windows Mail comes with Vista.
In your earlier post you said: "Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a rarity. Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while Vista was still in beta." If production of WinMail stopped in 2006, then how can WinMail still come with Vista? I'm obviously missing something. Of course it doesn't help to lessen confusion that Microsoft persists in giving similar names to different applications such as Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live Mail.... :-> Alan "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message news:OrDew%23sCJHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Windows Mail comes with Vista. Is that what you're asking? > -- > > Bruce Hagen > MS-MVP Outlook Express > Imperial Beach, CA > > > "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message > news:OfVwr7sCJHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Hi Bruce, >> >> So is there any "native default" (for want of a better term) e-mail >> program that ships with Vista? >> >> Alan >> >> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >> news:Os1fXUsCJHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> It is usually the user, (i.e. disrupting a compact process), or a third >>> party program that causes the problem. But if it were not for the way >>> the dbx file system stores message data, there wouldn't be any loss of >>> messages and this would be a moot topic. >>> >>> Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every >>> message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a >>> rarity. >>> >>> Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for >>> other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while >>> Vista was still in beta. >>> >>> The recommendation from Microsoft, (not me), is for XP and Vista users >>> to use Windows Live Mail instead. That is virtually their *fix* for OE >>> and WinMail issues. >>> -- >>> >>> Bruce Hagen >>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>> Imperial Beach, CA >>> >>> >>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>> news:rVeuk.19567$jI5.16969@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>I agree totally. However, is it OE or some other program causing the >>>>problem? I'll bet it is not OE. >>>> Also, if YOU were the architect of OE how would you protect the .dbx >>>> files from >>>> being damaged from ANY source? That's my point. >>>> >>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:e2EgzojCJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> My last response. >>>>> >>>>> It is a problem with how OE was developed. It has existed with all >>>>> versions of Windows and not related to XP. At least with XP/SP2, a >>>>> copy of dbx files is backed up when you compact. OE MVPs fought for >>>>> that for almost a decade. That said, any third party program is >>>>> responsible to make their product compatible with whatever MS >>>>> develops. If Norton says their AV works with XP and IE/OE, then it >>>>> should work. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know if the chicken came before the egg, but Windows programs >>>>> come before third party programs that /claim/ they are compatible. >>>>> >>>>> Again. I am /not/ an advocate for MS. Spend some time in the two major >>>>> OE newsgroups. In the time I have been here, lost messages and or >>>>> entire folders is the most reported problem. Needless to say, if >>>>> people backed up OE, like they should any e-mail client, they could >>>>> easily fix any screw up. >>>>> >>>>> This is a post from today in the OE General newsgroup. >>>>> >>>>> <QP> >>>>> I opened OE this morning and all my created folders under local >>>>> folders are >>>>> gone. The only ones remaining are the defaulted folders of OE. Where >>>>> did they >>>>> go, and can I restore them? I had lots of emails saved in them that I >>>>> would >>>>> like back. Thanks.. >>>>> </QP> >>>>> >>>>> It is a rare day that we don't see at least one post like this. Before >>>>> people started going to Vista and WinMail, or Windows Live Mail, it >>>>> was common to see much more than one such post every day. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>> news:4O_tk.23261$N87.22253@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>> Any disruption can wipe out folders BUT, is that an OE program >>>>>> problem or the compacting program? >>>>>> Is all the problems caused by NORTON an XP problem????? >>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>> news:uKN9cdgCJHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, e-mail >>>>>>> scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail clients. (Not >>>>>>> that you need e-mail scanning at all). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the >>>>>>> process can wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend >>>>>>> working offline when compacting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I >>>>>>> said. I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the >>>>>>> foreseeable future. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:giXtk.18206$LG4.2178@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by >>>>>>>> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs. >>>>>>>> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. Pick >>>>>>>> on the BIG GUY syndrome. >>>>>>>>> It is a known issue for over a decade now. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. >>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And: >>>>>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is >>>>>>>>>> frail? >>>>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most >>>>>>>>>>> important thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but >>>>>>>>>>> screwed up a dozen other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get >>>>>>>>>>> me wrong. I like OE. But it needs a lot of TLC thay many people >>>>>>>>>>> don't do because it isn't in Help. >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > |
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They stopped production of Windows Mail, but the program was complete. (At
least in the minds of MS). They just took Windows Mail as it was and bundled it with Vista. OE has been out of production since 2002 IIRC, but it was still available in XP after that. -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Outlook Express Imperial Beach, CA "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message news:OFdIrOtCJHA.700@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I'm a bit confused, then, when you say that Windows Mail comes with Vista. > > In your earlier post you said: > > "Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every > message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a > rarity. > > Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for > other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while > Vista > was still in beta." > > If production of WinMail stopped in 2006, then how can WinMail still come > with Vista? I'm obviously missing something. > > Of course it doesn't help to lessen confusion that Microsoft persists in > giving similar names to different applications such as Windows Explorer, > Internet Explorer, Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live > Mail.... :-> > > Alan > > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message > news:OrDew%23sCJHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Windows Mail comes with Vista. Is that what you're asking? >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message >> news:OfVwr7sCJHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Hi Bruce, >>> >>> So is there any "native default" (for want of a better term) e-mail >>> program that ships with Vista? >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:Os1fXUsCJHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> It is usually the user, (i.e. disrupting a compact process), or a third >>>> party program that causes the problem. But if it were not for the way >>>> the dbx file system stores message data, there wouldn't be any loss of >>>> messages and this would be a moot topic. >>>> >>>> Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every >>>> message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a >>>> rarity. >>>> >>>> Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for >>>> other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while >>>> Vista was still in beta. >>>> >>>> The recommendation from Microsoft, (not me), is for XP and Vista users >>>> to use Windows Live Mail instead. That is virtually their *fix* for OE >>>> and WinMail issues. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:rVeuk.19567$jI5.16969@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>I agree totally. However, is it OE or some other program causing the >>>>>problem? I'll bet it is not OE. >>>>> Also, if YOU were the architect of OE how would you protect the .dbx >>>>> files from >>>>> being damaged from ANY source? That's my point. >>>>> >>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:e2EgzojCJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> My last response. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is a problem with how OE was developed. It has existed with all >>>>>> versions of Windows and not related to XP. At least with XP/SP2, a >>>>>> copy of dbx files is backed up when you compact. OE MVPs fought for >>>>>> that for almost a decade. That said, any third party program is >>>>>> responsible to make their product compatible with whatever MS >>>>>> develops. If Norton says their AV works with XP and IE/OE, then it >>>>>> should work. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know if the chicken came before the egg, but Windows programs >>>>>> come before third party programs that /claim/ they are compatible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again. I am /not/ an advocate for MS. Spend some time in the two >>>>>> major OE newsgroups. In the time I have been here, lost messages and >>>>>> or entire folders is the most reported problem. Needless to say, if >>>>>> people backed up OE, like they should any e-mail client, they could >>>>>> easily fix any screw up. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a post from today in the OE General newsgroup. >>>>>> >>>>>> <QP> >>>>>> I opened OE this morning and all my created folders under local >>>>>> folders are >>>>>> gone. The only ones remaining are the defaulted folders of OE. Where >>>>>> did they >>>>>> go, and can I restore them? I had lots of emails saved in them that I >>>>>> would >>>>>> like back. Thanks.. >>>>>> </QP> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is a rare day that we don't see at least one post like this. >>>>>> Before people started going to Vista and WinMail, or Windows Live >>>>>> Mail, it was common to see much more than one such post every day. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4O_tk.23261$N87.22253@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>> Any disruption can wipe out folders BUT, is that an OE program >>>>>>> problem or the compacting program? >>>>>>> Is all the problems caused by NORTON an XP problem????? >>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:uKN9cdgCJHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, >>>>>>>> e-mail scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail >>>>>>>> clients. (Not that you need e-mail scanning at all). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the >>>>>>>> process can wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend >>>>>>>> working offline when compacting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I >>>>>>>> said. I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the >>>>>>>> foreseeable future. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:giXtk.18206$LG4.2178@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by >>>>>>>>> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs. >>>>>>>>> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. >>>>>>>>> Pick on the BIG GUY syndrome. >>>>>>>>>> It is a known issue for over a decade now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure >>>>>>>>>>> is frail? >>>>>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most >>>>>>>>>>>> important thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but >>>>>>>>>>>> screwed up a dozen other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get >>>>>>>>>>>> me wrong. I like OE. But it needs a lot of TLC thay many people >>>>>>>>>>>> don't do because it isn't in Help. >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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BTY. Here is the newsgroup for Windows Mail if you want to take a look.
Windows Vista Mail Newsgroup. In your newsreader: news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsof...ows.vista.mail On the Web: http://www.microsoft.com/communities...ows.vista.mail -- Bruce Hagen MS-MVP Outlook Express Imperial Beach, CA "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message news:OFdIrOtCJHA.700@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I'm a bit confused, then, when you say that Windows Mail comes with Vista. > > In your earlier post you said: > > "Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every > message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a > rarity. > > Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for > other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while > Vista > was still in beta." > > If production of WinMail stopped in 2006, then how can WinMail still come > with Vista? I'm obviously missing something. > > Of course it doesn't help to lessen confusion that Microsoft persists in > giving similar names to different applications such as Windows Explorer, > Internet Explorer, Outlook, Outlook Express, Windows Mail, Windows Live > Mail.... :-> > > Alan > > "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message > news:OrDew%23sCJHA.3352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Windows Mail comes with Vista. Is that what you're asking? >> -- >> >> Bruce Hagen >> MS-MVP Outlook Express >> Imperial Beach, CA >> >> >> "Alan" <somewhere@nospam.not> wrote in message >> news:OfVwr7sCJHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Hi Bruce, >>> >>> So is there any "native default" (for want of a better term) e-mail >>> program that ships with Vista? >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:Os1fXUsCJHA.2480@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> It is usually the user, (i.e. disrupting a compact process), or a third >>>> party program that causes the problem. But if it were not for the way >>>> the dbx file system stores message data, there wouldn't be any loss of >>>> messages and this would be a moot topic. >>>> >>>> Windows Mail in Vista does not use this dbx system. Instead, every >>>> message is stored as a separate .eml file and loss of messages is a >>>> rarity. >>>> >>>> Of course, as I stated previously, WinMail turned out to be a flop for >>>> other reasons and production of that program stopped in 2006, while >>>> Vista was still in beta. >>>> >>>> The recommendation from Microsoft, (not me), is for XP and Vista users >>>> to use Windows Live Mail instead. That is virtually their *fix* for OE >>>> and WinMail issues. >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Bruce Hagen >>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>> >>>> >>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:rVeuk.19567$jI5.16969@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>I agree totally. However, is it OE or some other program causing the >>>>>problem? I'll bet it is not OE. >>>>> Also, if YOU were the architect of OE how would you protect the .dbx >>>>> files from >>>>> being damaged from ANY source? That's my point. >>>>> >>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:e2EgzojCJHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> My last response. >>>>>> >>>>>> It is a problem with how OE was developed. It has existed with all >>>>>> versions of Windows and not related to XP. At least with XP/SP2, a >>>>>> copy of dbx files is backed up when you compact. OE MVPs fought for >>>>>> that for almost a decade. That said, any third party program is >>>>>> responsible to make their product compatible with whatever MS >>>>>> develops. If Norton says their AV works with XP and IE/OE, then it >>>>>> should work. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know if the chicken came before the egg, but Windows programs >>>>>> come before third party programs that /claim/ they are compatible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Again. I am /not/ an advocate for MS. Spend some time in the two >>>>>> major OE newsgroups. In the time I have been here, lost messages and >>>>>> or entire folders is the most reported problem. Needless to say, if >>>>>> people backed up OE, like they should any e-mail client, they could >>>>>> easily fix any screw up. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a post from today in the OE General newsgroup. >>>>>> >>>>>> <QP> >>>>>> I opened OE this morning and all my created folders under local >>>>>> folders are >>>>>> gone. The only ones remaining are the defaulted folders of OE. Where >>>>>> did they >>>>>> go, and can I restore them? I had lots of emails saved in them that I >>>>>> would >>>>>> like back. Thanks.. >>>>>> </QP> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is a rare day that we don't see at least one post like this. >>>>>> Before people started going to Vista and WinMail, or Windows Live >>>>>> Mail, it was common to see much more than one such post every day. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4O_tk.23261$N87.22253@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>> Any disruption can wipe out folders BUT, is that an OE program >>>>>>> problem or the compacting program? >>>>>>> Is all the problems caused by NORTON an XP problem????? >>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:uKN9cdgCJHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, >>>>>>>> e-mail scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail >>>>>>>> clients. (Not that you need e-mail scanning at all). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the >>>>>>>> process can wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend >>>>>>>> working offline when compacting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I >>>>>>>> said. I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the >>>>>>>> foreseeable future. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:giXtk.18206$LG4.2178@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by >>>>>>>>> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs. >>>>>>>>> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. >>>>>>>>> Pick on the BIG GUY syndrome. >>>>>>>>>> It is a known issue for over a decade now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption. >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3 >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure >>>>>>>>>>> is frail? >>>>>>>>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... >>>>>>>>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most >>>>>>>>>>>> important thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but >>>>>>>>>>>> screwed up a dozen other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get >>>>>>>>>>>> me wrong. I like OE. But it needs a lot of TLC thay many people >>>>>>>>>>>> don't do because it isn't in Help. >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce Hagen >>>>>>>>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express >>>>>>>>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |
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....due to asking the question. OE MVP's eyes glaze over for lotsa other
reasons, too! Gary S. Terhune wrote: > Heh, heh... watching an OE MVP's eyes glaze over... heh, heh... > > > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:ezX1LDlCJHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Don't bother asking "why" or "how" (which will cause an OE MVP's eyes to >> glaze over), just do some searching of Google Groups. You'll find (tens >> of) thousands of archived posts that contain variations on "Don't touch >> your computer until the compacting process has ended!" or "Do not cancel >> Automatic Compacting, should it occur, and do not attempt to close OE via >> Task Manager or shutdown your machine if Automatic Compacting is taking >> place." >> >> <QP> >> [The compacting] process can take several minutes and you should not >> attempt to use your computer until it is finished. >> </QP> >> Source: http://www.insideoe.com/files/maintain.htm#compact >> >> [http://www.insideoe.com is he OE user's Bible] >> >> OE's been an odd, bug-ridden app ever since it was released over a decade >> ago, and all further development was stopped in June 2006. We suspect >> that >> the guy who wrote OE has been permanently confined in a lunatic asylum >> and >> wearing a straightjacket for years. >> -- >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear) >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Desktop Experience - since 2002 >> AumHa VSOP & Admin http://aumha.net >> DTS-L http://dts-l.net/ >> >> >> Gary S. Terhune wrote: >>> I thought about it a long time ago, watched several colleagues spend >>> months, >>> IIRC, doing painstaking tests, I may even have participated in them >>> myself, >>> can't recall. And yes, I can say that pulling the cord from the wall >>> while >>> an OE folder is being compacted is a valid test of DBX fragility versus >>> other mail storage systems. Versus just about any other file type, for >>> that >>> matter. Those same fellas still hang out in the groups, so if you want >>> to >>> know *why* this is so, or *what* makes DBX files much more fragile under >>> the >>> stated conditions, the OE groups are the place for you to ask. I >>> recommend >>> you ask nicely. Or you can even claim that what we're telling you is BS >>> and >>> somebody "here" (in the OE groups, remember) oughta go over "there" >>> (here) >>> and tell them what's what! >> <snip> |
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