Gary S. Terhune

Umm.... What so hard about backing up OE? How does TB make it any easier?

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"DaN" <Dan@dansNOSPAMcomp.net> wrote in message
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> Alias wrote:
>> Panic wrote:
>>> I have a friend who "heard" you can use the new Windows Vista email
>>> program "Mail" with a WinXP OS. Is that true?
>>>
>>
>> No, but you can use the lame Windows Live Fail. I would recommend a much
>> better program called Thunderbird. It's free and can be downloaded from
>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird. It has an excellent junk filter and
>> spell checks as you type a message. Not only that, it has extensions and
>> add ons including a calendar. Compared to OE, it's a breeze to back up,
>> too.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I would cast my vote for Thunderbird as well.
> Email has never been so efficient.

Gary S. Terhune

Ummm... What's so hard about backing up OE? What makes TB easier?

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
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> Panic wrote:
>> I have a friend who "heard" you can use the new Windows Vista email
>> program "Mail" with a WinXP OS. Is that true?
>
> No, but you can use the lame Windows Live Fail. I would recommend a much
> better program called Thunderbird. It's free and can be downloaded from
> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird. It has an excellent junk filter and
> spell checks as you type a message. Not only that, it has extensions and
> add ons including a calendar. Compared to OE, it's a breeze to back up,
> too.
>
> Alias

Gary S. Terhune

Oops! Replied to wrong person. Sorry.

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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> Umm.... What so hard about backing up OE? How does TB make it any easier?
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> http://grystmill.com
>
> "DaN" <Dan@dansNOSPAMcomp.net> wrote in message
> news:ONQBBcZCJHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Panic wrote:
>>>> I have a friend who "heard" you can use the new Windows Vista email
>>>> program "Mail" with a WinXP OS. Is that true?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, but you can use the lame Windows Live Fail. I would recommend a much
>>> better program called Thunderbird. It's free and can be downloaded from
>>> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird. It has an excellent junk filter and
>>> spell checks as you type a message. Not only that, it has extensions and
>>> add ons including a calendar. Compared to OE, it's a breeze to back up,
>>> too.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> I would cast my vote for Thunderbird as well.
>> Email has never been so efficient.
>
>

Alias

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Umm.... What so hard about backing up OE? How does TB make it any easier?

With T-Bird you back up one folder and two files. To restore TB, all you
need to do is nuke the folder and files that are default in the new
install and replace them with the backed up files. This backs up and
restores all mail and all the accounts, be they mail or news.

Alias
>

-- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://grystmill.com "DaN"
<Dan@dansNOSPAMcomp.net> wrote in message
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> > Alias wrote:
>> >> Panic wrote:
>>> >>> I have a friend who "heard" you can use the new Windows Vista
email
>>> >>> program "Mail" with a WinXP OS. Is that true?
>>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> No, but you can use the lame Windows Live Fail. I would recommend
a much
>> >> better program called Thunderbird. It's free and can be
downloaded from
>> >> http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird. It has an excellent junk
filter and
>> >> spell checks as you type a message. Not only that, it has
extensions and
>> >> add ons including a calendar. Compared to OE, it's a breeze to
back up,
>> >> too.
>> >>
>> >> Alias
> >
> > I would cast my vote for Thunderbird as well.
> > Email has never been so efficient.

Alias

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> Ummm... What's so hard about backing up OE? What makes TB easier?
>

With T-Bird you back up one folder and two files. To restore TB, all you
need to do is nuke the folder and files that are default in the new
install and replace them with the backed up files. This backs up and
restores all mail and all the accounts, be they mail or news. This works
in both Linux and Windows. OE only works in some versions of Windows and
no versions of Linux.

Alias

Unknown

That is shear stupidity. Run anything and yank the cord out of the wall. Why
specifically OE compacting?
"Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
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> Unknown wrote:
>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is frail?
>
> Want to find out the hard way? Open OE. Start compacting your messages.
> Pull the plug to your computer out of the wall while it's in the middle of
> compacting. Back up your .dbx files first ;-)
>
> Alias
>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE?
>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important thing
>>> wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a dozen other
>>> things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I like OE. But it needs
>>> a lot of TLC thay many people don't do because it isn't in Help.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>
>>>
>>

Unknown

It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by
NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs.
Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. Pick on the
BIG GUY syndrome.
> It is a known issue for over a decade now.
>
> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC
>
> And:
> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
> --
>
> Bruce Hagen
> MS-MVP Outlook Express
> Imperial Beach, CA
>
>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is frail?
>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE?
>>>
>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important thing
>>> wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a dozen other
>>> things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I like OE. But it needs
>>> a lot of TLC thay many people don't do because it isn't in Help.
>>> --
>>>
>>> Bruce Hagen
>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Bruce Hagen

Yes. But it is because of the fragile dbx file system. AFAIK, e-mail
scanning does not pose such a threat in other e-mail clients. (Not that you
need e-mail scanning at all).

As far as compacting, as Alias mentioned, any disruption of the process can
wipe out entire folders. That is why we recommend working offline when
compacting.

I'm not picking on the big guy, just pointing out the facts. Like I said.
I'm still using OE and have no plans to go elsewhere in the foreseeable
future.
--

Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Outlook Express
Imperial Beach, CA


"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
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> It is not OE as the article states. It (corruption) is caused by
> NON_MICROSOFT virus scanning programs.
> Amazing how MS always gets blamed for others poor programming. Pick on the
> BIG GUY syndrome.
>> It is a known issue for over a decade now.
>>
>> Viral Irony: The Most Common Cause of Corruption.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/IE/...ion.mspx#EOAAC
>>
>> And:
>> http://www.oehelp.com/OETips.aspx#3
>> --
>>
>> Bruce Hagen
>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>
>>
>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>> news:uoCtk.19437$jI5.3195@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is frail?
>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE?
>>>>
>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important
>>>> thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a dozen
>>>> other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I like OE. But
>>>> it needs a lot of TLC thay many people don't do because it isn't in
>>>> Help.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bruce Hagen
>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Gary S. Terhune

You really are stupid, aren't you?

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Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
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> That is shear stupidity. Run anything and yank the cord out of the wall.
> Why specifically OE compacting?
> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
> news:g96s7o$doj$1@aioe.org...
>> Unknown wrote:
>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is frail?
>>
>> Want to find out the hard way? Open OE. Start compacting your messages.
>> Pull the plug to your computer out of the wall while it's in the middle
>> of compacting. Back up your .dbx files first ;-)
>>
>> Alias
>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE?
>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important
>>>> thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a dozen
>>>> other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I like OE. But
>>>> it needs a lot of TLC thay many people don't do because it isn't in
>>>> Help.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bruce Hagen
>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>>> Imperial Beach, CA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>

PA Bear [MS MVP]

And what do shears have to do with it? <eg>

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> You really are stupid, aren't you?
>
>
> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
> news:L8Xtk.18204$LG4.1681@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> That is shear stupidity. Run anything and yank the cord out of the wall.
>> Why specifically OE compacting?
>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailREMOVE.com> wrote in message
>> news:g96s7o$doj$1@aioe.org...
>>> Unknown wrote:
>>>> Never had a problem with it. Why do you say dbx file structure is
>>>> frail?
>>>
>>> Want to find out the hard way? Open OE. Start compacting your messages.
>>> Pull the plug to your computer out of the wall while it's in the middle
>>> of compacting. Back up your .dbx files first ;-)
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>> "Bruce Hagen" <Nospam@mymail.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:eQqnKgTCJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OtBtk.19432$jI5.5277@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>>>>>> Worse than OE?????? What's wrong with OE?
>>>>> Specifically, the fragile dbx file structure is the most important
>>>>> thing wrong with OE. They fixed that in WinMail, but screwed up a
>>>>> dozen
>>>>> other things that /did/ work fine. Don't get me wrong. I like OE. But
>>>>> it needs a lot of TLC thay many people don't do because it isn't in
>>>>> Help.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce Hagen
>>>>> MS-MVP Outlook Express
>>>>> Imperial Beach, CA