~BD~

"Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware
problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance of
infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all. There is
no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting on your PC,
however, these steps will help."

So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may read
it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525

Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited by
chaslang; 06-17-08

THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE!

Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here without
the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others
............. and for no other reason!

I hope it helps!

Dave

rjdriver

"~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:OIR1S421IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> "Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware
> problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance of
> infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all. There is
> no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting on your
> PC, however, these steps will help."
>
> So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may
> read it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525
>
> Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited by
> chaslang; 06-17-08
>
> THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE!
>
> Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here
> without the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others
> ............ and for no other reason!
>
> I hope it helps!
>
> Dave


I'll second that! The Major Geeks forum post listed above
is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise,
easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other
good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word about
any of them. Good find Dave.

Bob

~BD~

"rjdriver" <rjdriversNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
news:uHRApOE2IHA.4164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
> "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OIR1S421IHA.4852@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "Make sure you get your system protected from ocurrences of malware
>> problems. Below are some simple steps you can take to reduce the chance
>> of infection in the future. I strongly encourage you to do them all.
>> There is no perfect solution for totally preventing malware from getting
>> on your PC, however, these steps will help."
>>
>> So begins an item by 'Chaslang' at Major Geeks Support Forums. You may
>> read it here:- http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44525
>>
>> Although the item is dated 10.10.04 please note that it was last edited
>> by chaslang; 06-17-08
>>
>> THERE IS MUCH HELPFUL INFORMATION PUBLISHED THERE!
>>
>> Please note that this item is NOT SPAM and has been 'promoted' here
>> without the knowledge of 'Chaslang' with the simple aim of helping others
>> ............ and for no other reason!
>>
>> I hope it helps!
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> I'll second that! The Major Geeks forum post listed
> above is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware.
> Concise, easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are
> many other good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread
> the word about any of them. Good find Dave.
>
> Bob
>
>

Thanks for your support, Bob.

Motion carried!

Root Kit

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:50:53 -0400, "rjdriver"
<rjdriversNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:


> I'll second that!

I most definately won't.

>the Major Geeks forum post listed above
>is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise,
>easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other
>good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word about
>any of them. Good find Dave.

It's mostly the usual common knowledge security nonsense:

Install this, install that, MS firewall is bad, frequently scan for
this, frequently scan for that....

Only a few true goodies like "Use restriced user accounts" and
"Security starts with you" is found there.

Most hilarious part is that the poster labels him- or herself "Malware
Expert". That's a biiiiig LOL. The steps on how to deal with malware
infections clearly shows he or she is not even close to being an
"expert".

PA Bear [MS MVP]

Please don't feed the trolls.

Root Kit wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 06:50:53 -0400, "rjdriver"
> <rjdriversNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I'll second that!
>
> I most definately won't.
>
>> the Major Geeks forum post listed above
>> is an excellent guide to keeping your computer free of malware. Concise,
>> easy to read, with links to download the need apps. There are many other
>> good guides like this out there, but it never hurts to spread the word
>> about any of them. Good find Dave.
>
> It's mostly the usual common knowledge security nonsense:
>
> Install this, install that, MS firewall is bad, frequently scan for
> this, frequently scan for that....
>
> Only a few true goodies like "Use restriced user accounts" and
> "Security starts with you" is found there.
>
> Most hilarious part is that the poster labels him- or herself "Malware
> Expert". That's a biiiiig LOL. The steps on how to deal with malware
> infections clearly shows he or she is not even close to being an
> "expert".

Root Kit

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
<PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:

>Please don't feed the trolls.

Pathetic.....

But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....

~BD~

"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Please don't feed the trolls.
>
> Pathetic.....
>
> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....



But he really *is* one of the good guys! It says so here:
https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...A-D04AAA41556E

I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
AumHa.

This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.

Dave

PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
recommended 'help' sites ........... albeit on third base! Viz:-

Suggested tertiary:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/...splay.php?f=25
http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malwa..._Here-f37.html
http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum...?showforum=170
http://forum.networktechs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=130
http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showforum=17
http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showforum=18
http://forums.techguy.org/f54-s.html
http://forums.tomcoyote.org/index.php?showforum=27
http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7
http://www.5starsupport.com/ipboard/...p?showforum=18
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
http://makephpbb.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2
http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
http://forums.security-central.us/forumdisplay.php?f=13

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

Root Kit

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:31:01 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>
>"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com.. .
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
>> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Please don't feed the trolls.
>>
>> Pathetic.....
>>
>> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....
>
>
>
>But he really *is* one of the good guys! It says so here:
>https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...A-D04AAA41556E

Yes. I can see he says so, himself...

According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman
and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999.

I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.

>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
>AumHa.
>
>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
>
>Dave
>
>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
>recommended 'help' sites

David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
well again soon.

~BD~

In line responses

"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:76sb645p6rtcjbriq06ngnbkjcq063krdl@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 08:31:01 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:l9da64tg7oh554ock9in69p5i6c9uc0hdi@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:50:31 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"
>>> <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Please don't feed the trolls.
>>>
>>> Pathetic.....
>>>
>>> But what can you expect from an MVP bragger....
>>
>>
>>
>>But he really *is* one of the good guys! It says so here:
>>https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/pr...A-D04AAA41556E
>
> Yes. I can see he says so, himself...
>
> According to http://aumha.org/vsop.htm he seems to be a wine salesman
> and a professional singer - being an IT hobbyist since 1999.


I *used* to believe everything I read on-screen!


>
> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.
>

That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys! (but I
perceive that you are! <grin>)

Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have
not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come
here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?


>>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
>>AumHa.
>>
>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
>>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
>>recommended 'help' sites
>
> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
> well again soon.
>


Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa do
not give good advice and/or genuine help? Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I
suspect, because I have nudged him into showing his approval of the site
(but I may be wrong on this!)

Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users
machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine
wasn't infected in the first place!). From what I have seen, the 'average'
user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are *really* clean
and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!

Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!

Dave

Root Kit

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:19:18 +0100, "~BD~" <BoaterDave@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>In line responses
>
>"Root Kit" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> I've been in the IT business more than twice as long.
>>
>
>That doesn't necessarily mean that you are one of the good guys!

You're exactly right. On the net you better be highly skeptical and
learn to think for yourself.

Anyway, my comment was also not so much related to being good or bad.
I'm sure P A Bear is a good and probably even nice guy. That doesn't
mean he's especially knowledgeable within the area of computer
security, though. Especially not since computing seems to be only a
hobby of his - and only for a limited time. He's one of those perfect
instruments for security companies to help promote their products. You
just need to have in mind that what makes sense in a B2C market place
does not necessarily match with what makes good sense in terms of real
security.

>(but I perceive that you are! <grin>)

Depends on the definition of good, I guess. I'm definitely not a black
hat hacker, if that's what you mean. I've sometimes been suspected of
having bad intentions because I often rant at security companies and
products and often talk against so called common knowledge, though.
Such accusations are just laughable.

>Robear has been posting here for at least 3 years in my experience. I have
>not seen you post until recently, 'Root Kit'. May I ask what made you come
>here ......... or were you using a different posting name previously?

I've been around for long. If you can't recognize me by my nick, you
can recognize me by my e-mail address which hasn't changed or by the
often controversial content followed by foolish "You're trolling"
posts. I never change my e-mail address - in order to give people who
can't handle the truth a chance to filter me out.

>>>I just wish he'd tell me what *he* believes I did to upset his master at
>>>AumHa.
>>>
>>>This place is far too secretive when it comes to knowing who is actually
>>>telling the truth - *I* know that *I* tell the truth so cannot understand
>>>the attitude of a grown man who resorts to using a term like "please don't
>>>feel the trolls". I must suppose that if one cannot simply 'cut and paste'
>>>from a stack of pre-prepared answers to satisfy a query, it will take too
>>>much time to have an honest and impartial discussion.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>
>>>PS I note that David H Lipman is now listing AumHa as one of his
>>>recommended 'help' sites
>>
>> David seems to be loosing it lately. Hopefully he will recover and get
>> well again soon.
>>
>
>
>Are you implying that the likes of Bill Castner and Robear Dyer at AumHa do
>not give good advice and/or genuine help?

I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to be pretty straight forward in
my opinions.

>Mr Lipman has added AumHa, I suspect, because I have nudged him into
>showing his approval of the site (but I may be wrong on this!)
>
>Have you ever considered that a site purporting to help 'clean' a users
>machine might actually leave it in an infected state? (even if the machine
>wasn't infected in the first place!).

Sure. Kind of happens all the time. That's the way much malware is
being spread, isn't it? (Just to be precise, I'm talking about
malicious sites tricking you into downloading some kind of "cleaning
tool". I'm not making any assumptions about the site in question.)

>From what I have seen, the 'average'
>user of a computer will have absolutely no idea if they are *really* clean
>and will rely totally on being told so by a 'guru'!

Even the best of experts have difficulties in positively declaring a
machine "clean". But mostly users are happy to just have the symptom
removed.

BTW, what you are describing is the sole reason why there's even a
market for anti-crap at all.

>Doesn't really bear thinking about, does it?!!!

Why not? It's not until you start thinking, that there's a chance you
might learn something.