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dlsayremn

Hi, back again to pick some brains. Probably should have put this under
Networking. Trying to help Elyson on Techguy.org forums. This is his problem.

No names in cache error message
Hi all,

I have a home networking problem with a Laptop that's running Vista Home
Premium, a Win XP desktop and a Win98SE desktop. The Laptop is connected
wirelessly and the Win98SE and Win XP computers are connected to a Dynalink
Wireless 4-port Modem/Router via ethernet cables

All computers can gain access to the Internet ok and can all ping each
other's IP addresses (including the Win98SE). The Laptop can ping the Win XP
by name and vice versa, but they cannot ping the Win98SE by name. The Win98SE
can ping itself by name though. Have done a nbtstat -n on the Win98SE and
keep getting the error message "No names in cache". Have enabled NetBIOS over
TCP/IP on all machines.

I cannot share folders or drives on the Win98SE computer as there is no
"Sharing" option either in Windows Explorer - Edit or when i right-click on
Network Neighborhood.

I have posted this networking problem under "Networking" and members have
provided great support with giving me heaps of things to try but nothing
seems to be working. Have posted this time under Operating Systems hoping
that someone with Win98SE might have experienced the same problem, or know
what the problem is, or had a similar problem.

Tried 100 different things and don't know what to try next. Desperate times
call for desperate measures but I don't want to reformat the Win98SE, I just
want to get on the network with it.

Hoping someone can help me.

Had him check his Internet Connection and Network settings with mine. All
were the same except under TCP/IP, Advanced he had "use this protocol as
default protocol" checked. Don't think that has any bearing on problem, but
told him to try with it unchecked.

Have done a lot of googling and this is my understanding of the problem.
For "ping by name", computer1 sends a general broadcast for a computer with
the "name" in its Netbios chache to respond.
For "File and Printer sharing" computer1 when asked to share checks Netbios
cache of computer2 asking for "names" to check against its allowed list.
If there are no names or wrong names in the Netbios cache on computer2
nothing happens.

My questions that I haven't be able to find answers for yet.
How do the computer and workgroup names get put into the Netbios cache?
If Netbios is bad how do you repair/replace it?

Any answers/ideas are greatly appreciated


How do names get put into the Netbios cache

MEB

"dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A020B5B4-3A54-409D-BFCD-041039BA9364@microsoft.com...
| Hi, back again to pick some brains. Probably should have put this under
| Networking. Trying to help Elyson on Techguy.org forums. This is his
problem.
|
| No names in cache error message
| Hi all,
|
| I have a home networking problem with a Laptop that's running Vista Home
| Premium, a Win XP desktop and a Win98SE desktop. The Laptop is connected
| wirelessly and the Win98SE and Win XP computers are connected to a
Dynalink
| Wireless 4-port Modem/Router via ethernet cables
|
| All computers can gain access to the Internet ok and can all ping each
| other's IP addresses (including the Win98SE). The Laptop can ping the Win
XP
| by name and vice versa, but they cannot ping the Win98SE by name. The
Win98SE
| can ping itself by name though. Have done a nbtstat -n on the Win98SE and
| keep getting the error message "No names in cache". Have enabled NetBIOS
over
| TCP/IP on all machines.
|
| I cannot share folders or drives on the Win98SE computer as there is no
| "Sharing" option either in Windows Explorer - Edit or when i right-click
on
| Network Neighborhood.

You need to enable File and Printer Sharing in Control Panel > Network on
the 98SE box.

|
| I have posted this networking problem under "Networking" and members have
| provided great support with giving me heaps of things to try but nothing
| seems to be working. Have posted this time under Operating Systems hoping
| that someone with Win98SE might have experienced the same problem, or know
| what the problem is, or had a similar problem.
|
| Tried 100 different things and don't know what to try next. Desperate
times
| call for desperate measures but I don't want to reformat the Win98SE, I
just
| want to get on the network with it.
|
| Hoping someone can help me.
|
| Had him check his Internet Connection and Network settings with mine. All
| were the same except under TCP/IP, Advanced he had "use this protocol as
| default protocol" checked. Don't think that has any bearing on problem,
but
| told him to try with it unchecked.

TCP/IP is the only protocol needed and it IS the default.

|
| Have done a lot of googling and this is my understanding of the problem.
| For "ping by name", computer1 sends a general broadcast for a computer
with
| the "name" in its Netbios chache to respond.
| For "File and Printer sharing" computer1 when asked to share checks
Netbios
| cache of computer2 asking for "names" to check against its allowed list.
| If there are no names or wrong names in the Netbios cache on computer2
| nothing happens.
|
| My questions that I haven't be able to find answers for yet.
| How do the computer and workgroup names get put into the Netbios cache?
| If Netbios is bad how do you repair/replace it?
|
| Any answers/ideas are greatly appreciated
|
|
| How do names get put into the Netbios cache
|

AFTER enabling File and Printer Sharing make sure you share the folders,
check your firewalls on ALL machines, AND check your Anti-Virus programs to
ensure THEY aren't blocking anything from your local network.

Make sure all computers are in the SAME workgroup and Network range and
sub-net. Make *Users and passwords* on the XP and VISTA computers which
MATCH the ones used on the 98SE computer.

More issues, look here for some basic info:
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/gen/se...NETWORKING.htm

Post back if more help is needed.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~

dlsayremn

MEB, thanks for come back.
Elyon (misspelled his name) originally posted in TG's Network thread.

..http://forums.techguy.org/networking...ighlight=Elyon

After 120 posts and no solution , he posted in their 95/98/ME thread, where
I picked it up. The only problem anyone has been able to find is with Netbios
cache on the 98SE.

Runnig nbtstst -n on the 98SE machines shows no names in cache.

This is what I get with nbtstat -n on my Vista and get similar on my 98SE
and ME.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\SayrePC>nbtstat -n

Local Area Connection:
Node IpAddress: [192.168.0.64] Scope Id: []

NetBIOS Local Name Table

Name Type Status
---------------------------------------------
SAYREPC-PC <00> UNIQUE Registered
WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
SAYREPC-PC <20> UNIQUE Registered
WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered
WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered
..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered

C:\Users\SayrePC>

From what I have found, Netbios cache names are used to identify computers
for sharing on the LAN. No names, no sharing.

Assuming his Netbios has been corrupted is there some way to fix it.

MEB

"dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0497A8F0-CD2F-4CEA-A35F-212B2D19D9CD@microsoft.com...
| MEB, thanks for come back.
| Elyon (misspelled his name) originally posted in TG's Network thread.
|
|
..http://forums.techguy.org/networking...ms.html?highli
ght=Elyon
|
| After 120 posts and no solution , he posted in their 95/98/ME thread,
where
| I picked it up. The only problem anyone has been able to find is with
Netbios
| cache on the 98SE.
|
| Runnig nbtstst -n on the 98SE machines shows no names in cache.
|
| This is what I get with nbtstat -n on my Vista and get similar on my 98SE
| and ME.
|
| Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
| Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
|
| C:\Users\SayrePC>nbtstat -n
|
| Local Area Connection:
| Node IpAddress: [192.168.0.64] Scope Id: []
|
| NetBIOS Local Name Table
|
| Name Type Status
| ---------------------------------------------
| SAYREPC-PC <00> UNIQUE Registered
| WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
| SAYREPC-PC <20> UNIQUE Registered
| WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered
| WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered
| ..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered
|
| C:\Users\SayrePC>
|
| From what I have found, Netbios cache names are used to identify computers
| for sharing on the LAN. No names, no sharing.
|
| Assuming his Netbios has been corrupted is there some way to fix it.
|
|

Okay, looked at some of it...

** Look at 20-Oct 2008 post, did anyone check for previous ICS installation?
ICS has its own DHCP, look at the registry for its entry.
It WILL conflict with any router assigned IP [uses same address as router
generally].

Did you look a master browser issues?

** How about HOSTS or LMHOST files involved anywhere?

IF you actually have made sure to check ALL potential blocks like firewalls
and such, IF and only IF, then:

Have him completely remove ALL networking components in Control Panel >
Network and re-install if this hasn't already been tried.
1. That includes FIRST disabling File and Printer Sharing, shut down, then
removal of ALL aspects.
2. Shutdown several times afterwards then -
3. Re-install all network adapters, make sure that all proper entries are
found in NETWORK, re-enable File and Printer Sharing.
4. Restart [after a complete power-off] all aspects of the network, starting
with the router, then its controller, then the lesser nodes.
5. Check IP configs for ALL adapters. Make sure if dynamic assigned, that it
is configured with the proper settings; if hard set make sure that it is in
the proper range AND workgroup AND sub-net.. though it appears from the
posts his router IS assigning addresses or at least attempting to.

Typically for newsgroups, I see a number of potential issues do to
questions not answered or followed up on. It happens, so don't feel bad.

Run through that networking page I linked for ICS and other issues [try
search/find on this page in your browser]. Good luck.

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~

dlsayremn

I will pass your sugggestions along.

Thanks again

"MEB" wrote:

>
> "dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:0497A8F0-CD2F-4CEA-A35F-212B2D19D9CD@microsoft.com...
> | MEB, thanks for come back.
> | Elyon (misspelled his name) originally posted in TG's Network thread.
> |
> |
> ..http://forums.techguy.org/networking...ms.html?highli
> ght=Elyon
> |
> | After 120 posts and no solution , he posted in their 95/98/ME thread,
> where
> | I picked it up. The only problem anyone has been able to find is with
> Netbios
> | cache on the 98SE.
> |
> | Runnig nbtstst -n on the 98SE machines shows no names in cache.
> |
> | This is what I get with nbtstat -n on my Vista and get similar on my 98SE
> | and ME.
> |
> | Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
> | Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
> |
> | C:\Users\SayrePC>nbtstat -n
> |
> | Local Area Connection:
> | Node IpAddress: [192.168.0.64] Scope Id: []
> |
> | NetBIOS Local Name Table
> |
> | Name Type Status
> | ---------------------------------------------
> | SAYREPC-PC <00> UNIQUE Registered
> | WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
> | SAYREPC-PC <20> UNIQUE Registered
> | WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered
> | WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered
> | ..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered
> |
> | C:\Users\SayrePC>
> |
> | From what I have found, Netbios cache names are used to identify computers
> | for sharing on the LAN. No names, no sharing.
> |
> | Assuming his Netbios has been corrupted is there some way to fix it.
> |
> |
>
> Okay, looked at some of it...
>
> ** Look at 20-Oct 2008 post, did anyone check for previous ICS installation?
> ICS has its own DHCP, look at the registry for its entry.
> It WILL conflict with any router assigned IP [uses same address as router
> generally].
>
> Did you look a master browser issues?
>
> ** How about HOSTS or LMHOST files involved anywhere?
>
> IF you actually have made sure to check ALL potential blocks like firewalls
> and such, IF and only IF, then:
>
> Have him completely remove ALL networking components in Control Panel >
> Network and re-install if this hasn't already been tried.
> 1. That includes FIRST disabling File and Printer Sharing, shut down, then
> removal of ALL aspects.
> 2. Shutdown several times afterwards then -
> 3. Re-install all network adapters, make sure that all proper entries are
> found in NETWORK, re-enable File and Printer Sharing.
> 4. Restart [after a complete power-off] all aspects of the network, starting
> with the router, then its controller, then the lesser nodes.
> 5. Check IP configs for ALL adapters. Make sure if dynamic assigned, that it
> is configured with the proper settings; if hard set make sure that it is in
> the proper range AND workgroup AND sub-net.. though it appears from the
> posts his router IS assigning addresses or at least attempting to.
>
> Typically for newsgroups, I see a number of potential issues do to
> questions not answered or followed up on. It happens, so don't feel bad.
>
> Run through that networking page I linked for ICS and other issues [try
> search/find on this page in your browser]. Good luck.
>
> --
> MEB
> http://peoplescounsel.org
> a Peoples' counsel
> _ _
> ~~
>
>
>

MEB

Let us know what happens...

See ya then..

--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org
a Peoples' counsel
_ _
~~
"dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F757BC83-9B7D-4F2C-86F8-7455713242D1@microsoft.com...
| I will pass your sugggestions along.
|
| Thanks again
|
| "MEB" wrote:
|
| >
| > "dlsayremn" <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:0497A8F0-CD2F-4CEA-A35F-212B2D19D9CD@microsoft.com...
| > | MEB, thanks for come back.
| > | Elyon (misspelled his name) originally posted in TG's Network thread.
| > |
| > |
| >
...http://forums.techguy.org/networking...ems.html?highl
i
| > ght=Elyon
| > |
| > | After 120 posts and no solution , he posted in their 95/98/ME thread,
| > where
| > | I picked it up. The only problem anyone has been able to find is with
| > Netbios
| > | cache on the 98SE.
| > |
| > | Runnig nbtstst -n on the 98SE machines shows no names in cache.
| > |
| > | This is what I get with nbtstat -n on my Vista and get similar on my
98SE
| > | and ME.
| > |
| > | Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6001]
| > | Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
| > |
| > | C:\Users\SayrePC>nbtstat -n
| > |
| > | Local Area Connection:
| > | Node IpAddress: [192.168.0.64] Scope Id: []
| > |
| > | NetBIOS Local Name Table
| > |
| > | Name Type Status
| > | ---------------------------------------------
| > | SAYREPC-PC <00> UNIQUE Registered
| > | WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
| > | SAYREPC-PC <20> UNIQUE Registered
| > | WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered
| > | WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered
| > | ..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered
| > |
| > | C:\Users\SayrePC>
| > |
| > | From what I have found, Netbios cache names are used to identify
computers
| > | for sharing on the LAN. No names, no sharing.
| > |
| > | Assuming his Netbios has been corrupted is there some way to fix it.
| > |
| > |
| >
| > Okay, looked at some of it...
| >
| > ** Look at 20-Oct 2008 post, did anyone check for previous ICS
installation?
| > ICS has its own DHCP, look at the registry for its entry.
| > It WILL conflict with any router assigned IP [uses same address as
router
| > generally].
| >
| > Did you look a master browser issues?
| >
| > ** How about HOSTS or LMHOST files involved anywhere?
| >
| > IF you actually have made sure to check ALL potential blocks like
firewalls
| > and such, IF and only IF, then:
| >
| > Have him completely remove ALL networking components in Control Panel >
| > Network and re-install if this hasn't already been tried.
| > 1. That includes FIRST disabling File and Printer Sharing, shut down,
then
| > removal of ALL aspects.
| > 2. Shutdown several times afterwards then -
| > 3. Re-install all network adapters, make sure that all proper entries
are
| > found in NETWORK, re-enable File and Printer Sharing.
| > 4. Restart [after a complete power-off] all aspects of the network,
starting
| > with the router, then its controller, then the lesser nodes.
| > 5. Check IP configs for ALL adapters. Make sure if dynamic assigned,
that it
| > is configured with the proper settings; if hard set make sure that it is
in
| > the proper range AND workgroup AND sub-net.. though it appears from the
| > posts his router IS assigning addresses or at least attempting to.
| >
| > Typically for newsgroups, I see a number of potential issues do to
| > questions not answered or followed up on. It happens, so don't feel bad.
| >
| > Run through that networking page I linked for ICS and other issues [try
| > search/find on this page in your browser]. Good luck.
| >
| > --
| > MEB
| > http://peoplescounsel.org
| > a Peoples' counsel
| > _ _
| > ~~
| >
| >
| >

Franc Zabkar

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:43:01 -0800, dlsayremn
<dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and
composed:

>MEB, thanks for come back.
>Elyon (misspelled his name) originally posted in TG's Network thread.
>
>.http://forums.techguy.org/networking...ighlight=Elyon
>
>After 120 posts and no solution , he posted in their 95/98/ME thread, where
>I picked it up. The only problem anyone has been able to find is with Netbios
>cache on the 98SE.
>
>Runnig nbtstst -n on the 98SE machines shows no names in cache.

I've browsed that thread and one thing stands out for me, and that is
a Node Type of "Hybrid" in the response to the WINIPCFG command.

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : ACEROLD
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid

Mine responds with "Broadcast".

I'm relatively clueless when it comes to networking, though, so I
don't know what this means, or whether it is significant.

I found this MS support document:

Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/160177

================================================== ==================
Windows 95
NodeType
Key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\VxD\MSTCP

Value type: DWORD
Valid range: 1, 2, 4, or 8

Default: 1 (b-node) if no value is specified or no WINS servers are
configured on the network; 8 (h-node) if WINS servers are specified
and NodeType is not otherwise defined in the Registry.

Description: This parameter specifies the mode of NetBIOS name
resolution used by NetBIOS over TCP/IP.

1 = b-node (broadcasts),
2 = p-node (point-to-point name queries to a WINS server),
4 = m-node (broadcast then query name server), and
8 = h-node (query name server, then broadcast).

If DNS is enabled (which also enabled LMHOSTS in Windows 95), name
resolution will also follow the mode defined by this parameter. This
value can also be configured using DHCP.
================================================== ==================
One other thing I've found is that the LMHOSTS file can be used to
resolve NetBIOS names for small networks. Maybe you could rename it
(instead of deleting it), just in case it contains some inappropriate
configuration entries.

- Franc Zabkar
--
Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

dlsayremn

Frank, thanks for come back.
Not that much into network knowledge myself, but am learning a lot.
Don't think hybrid node is a problem. Hybrid (8) checks for server name and
if cannot find a server uses broadcast. Since there is no server he is using
braodcast. Will see if he would change though. Eliminate one variable.

The "no names in (Netbios) cache" is probaly the biggest problem. From what
I have been able to find by searching, with Netbios over TCP/IP those names
are how other computers know you are part of the LAN (workgroup name) and
autorized to share (computer name).


"Franc Zabkar" wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:43:01 -0800, dlsayremn
> <dlsayremn@discussions.microsoft.com> put finger to keyboard and
> composed:
>

>
> I've browsed that thread and one thing stands out for me, and that is
> a Node Type of "Hybrid" in the response to the WINIPCFG command.
>
> Host Name . . . . . . . . . : ACEROLD
> DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
> Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
>
> Mine responds with "Broadcast".
>
> I'm relatively clueless when it comes to networking, though, so I
> don't know what this means, or whether it is significant.
>
> I found this MS support document:
>
> Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/160177
>
> ================================================== ==================
> Windows 95
> NodeType
> Key:
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\VxD\MSTCP
>
> Value type: DWORD
> Valid range: 1, 2, 4, or 8
>
> Default: 1 (b-node) if no value is specified or no WINS servers are
> configured on the network; 8 (h-node) if WINS servers are specified
> and NodeType is not otherwise defined in the Registry.
>
> Description: This parameter specifies the mode of NetBIOS name
> resolution used by NetBIOS over TCP/IP.
>
> 1 = b-node (broadcasts),
> 2 = p-node (point-to-point name queries to a WINS server),
> 4 = m-node (broadcast then query name server), and
> 8 = h-node (query name server, then broadcast).
>
> If DNS is enabled (which also enabled LMHOSTS in Windows 95), name
> resolution will also follow the mode defined by this parameter. This
> value can also be configured using DHCP.
> ================================================== ==================
> One other thing I've found is that the LMHOSTS file can be used to
> resolve NetBIOS names for small networks. Maybe you could rename it
> (instead of deleting it), just in case it contains some inappropriate
> configuration entries.
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
>